In this episode, Karl and Danielle explore the challenge of product market fit with Bob Handlin. They talk about the difficulties that you can have breaking into an existing market and how you really have to understand the end user’s problems to have a chance. They also talk about the importance of primary research, the say/do gap, and how to best decide what’s important when you have limited resources and runway.
Guest Bios
Bob Handlin’s product management career started at Prominet and then had him move into the Systems Storage Group at Sun Microsystems. He was at Sun during the time that Oracle bought Sun and he continued at Oracle for just over 7 years. After Oracle, he moved on to Red Hat where he is a product manager for Red Hat Enterprise Linux covering in-place upgrades, conversions, and live patching. His breadth of experience on industry leading products makes him a valuable asset to Red Hat and brings a unique perspective on product market fit to the table.
00:00Intro00:53Episode Intro02:06That awesome product that doesn’t quite have product market fit03:38Real world marketing tactics04:49The startup problem05:27Digging into the end user perspective06:0510x faster and can’t close the deal07:20Understanding the problem first09:40The cost of implementation versus reward13:24Understanding why you aren’t achieving PMF and recognising when you’ve hit the sunk cost fallacy15:41The importance of primary research16:32The say/do gap18:35CLI versus GUI24:51Deciding what’s important and never having enough resources26:32Tech previews and labs flags29:40Finding your market with limited runway32:51On tech being priced for growth36:42The final question38:35Episode wrap-up41:13Outro
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the importance of conducting primary research to avoid the “say/do gap”. This means talking to real customers and understanding what they actually do, not just what they say they will do. This is critical for developing a product that people will use and pay for.
the importance of conducting primary research to avoid the “say/do gap”. This means talking to real customers and understanding what they actually do, not just what they say they will do. This is critical for developing a product that people will use and pay for.